[2023/04/05 23:00:36] Alberta: Okay so to thoroughly understand the Israel and Palestine dispute or rivalry, these are the factors that need to be studied:1. Ottoman Empire and it’s collapse. How Ottoman Empire joined Germany in World War 1, lost and crumbled. European powers such as UK and France were watching it and wanting to take territories. One of the main reasons was the Suez Canal in Egypt. British India was a jewel in the crown of the British Empire and British ships had to cross the Mediterranean. So UK had Gibraltar, Malta and Cyprus as its protectorates and also needed to protect its interests in the Suez.2. British instigated the Arabs to rebel against the Ottomans. Arabs due to nationalism joined forces with the British and helped defeat the Ottomans. The Hijaz (where Jeddah, Mecca and Madina are) was under Sharif Hussain.Sharif Hussain had many children but two sons were Abdullah and Faisal.3. Hijaz fell under Ibn Saud (who came from Najd where Riyadh is). So Sharif Hussain was forced out and Hijaz became a part of Saudi Arabia.4. The British and French took over the territories in the Levant. The Sykes -Picot agreement. British took control of Palestine and it was called the British mandate of Palestine. The French took Syria and Lebanon.5. Sharif Hussain’s two sons were rewarded with two countries. British Palestine was divided, and the country today called Jordan (it was called Transjordan back then) was created by the British (in fact British trained their army and helped create their country). Abdullah 1 became the first king of Jordan, and Western Jordan was actually a part of Palestine. That’s one reason why many Jordanians are actually Palestinians). Jordan was the name of the river that separates Israel and Palestine. West Bank means the Western bank of the River Jordan. East Bank is where Jordan the country is.6. Iraq was the second country created by the British. Faisal who was the second son of the Sharif Hussain; was the king of Iraq. Iraq basically has Kurds, Shias and Sunnis and that’s why it wasn’t a United country. Kurds believe in creating their own country called Kurdistan. Kurdistan overlaps into Iran, Syria and Turkey.[2023/04/05 23:08:08] Alberta: 7. Zionism - it needs a deep study. There is a disagreement on who and where it started from. Jews or Christians? Christian Zionism is from the Protestants and their belief is that for Isa AS to return, it is mandatory that Jews are assembled in the Holy Land. The Jews who accept Isa As message and become Christians will be saved and those who reject his message will be damned. That explains why the US and the Christian evangelicals support Israel soStrongly. Not because they love Jews, but because they support Zionism.In fact many Orthodox Jews. And many European Jews rejected Zionism outright. They didn’t feel the need to leave Europe or live in Palestine. However in France, the Dreyfus affair happened. A French police officer called Alfred Dreyfus was falsely accused of treason. He was Jewish. Although his charges were dropped, this gave the Jews in Europe the message that they weren’t welcome there. The Holocaust and many Anti Jewish attacks and pogroms. The European Christians made it very known that they didn’t like Jews and didn’t want them there. Jews were discriminated against and weren’t allowed to do various jobs. Even in Czarist Russia.So these gave rise to the idea of establishing a Jewish state.Because Germany was against Britain in WW1, the British decided to cooperate with the Jews and help them create a state, many Jews living in Germany and its territories. Germany was much larger before WW1, but lost a large chunk of its territory because of losing WW1.[2023/04/05 23:11:12] Alberta: 8. The Arab tribes living in Palestine. Hussaini, Nashashibi and Khalidi.The Hussainis and Nashashibis hated each other intensely. When the British took over the land, and issued the Balfour declaration (The Balfour declaration was the foundation of the state of Israel) issued in 1917 by Arthur Balfour. Arthur Balfour was a Zionist but did not like Jews. Many Zionists were anti Jewish and wanted them out of Europe, you see.[2023/04/05 23:15:43] Alberta: 9. Hussainis and Nashashibis had very different approaches. The Hussainis totally rejected the British and Zionism. Nashashbis were more moderate and conciliatory. The land purchases by the Zionists, Nashashibis were more agreeable but the Hussainis were against it.One mufti called Mufti Hajj Al Amin Al Hussaini was the mufti of Jerusalem but is very controversial. He was allied with the Ottomans but deserted them and joined forces with the British, but he deserted them too and then allied with Hitler. Mufti went to Berlin and presided over the first Mosque in Berlin under the Nazis. He spread Nazi propaganda in Arabic to the Arabic countries where Jews were living. During the 1940s, many Jews were expelled from Arab countries such as Algeria, Syria, Egypt.[2023/04/05 23:18:31] Alberta: 10. How the PLO was founded. It’s role in hijacking airplanes and also taking 4 airplanes to Jordan and exploding them in Dawson’s airfield in Jordan.Black September which was the war between Jordan and PLO during the 1970s. Pakistans Zia Ul Haq at that time was a brigadier and helped the Jordanian army crush the PLO. The PLO were then expelled to Lebanon but were also involved in the Lebanese civil war and were expelled fromThere too. They went to Tunisia. Finally in 1993, during the OsloAccords they recognized the State of Israel.[2023/04/05 23:21:19] Alberta: 11. Hamas and its formation. Hamas is a branch of the Muslimbrotherhood in Egypt. It’s goal is to wipe Israel off the map and establish an Islamic state. However they have been very controversial because of legitimizing suicide bombing and targeting civilians. The fatwa from Yusuf Al Qaradawi, who was a Muslim Brotherhood member living in Qatar gave the fatwa that Israel is a military society and hence all its citizens are legitimate targets - that fatwa is incorrect because not every Israeli citizen is required to join the army.[2023/04/05 23:24:18] Alberta: 12. While Israel is an occupying apartheid state as it’s known to be a Judeo centric state, and has failed to be held accountable for war crimes and stealing land and resources. The settlements are illegal and Israel must be made to answer; to deny the state of Israel is purely delusional. There is a thing called Knesset, Mossad, Shin Bet, IDF. Even Norman Finklestein criticizes this line of reasoning that there is no state of Israel. It’s a verdict of history and an after effect of colonialism just like Pakistan, Jordan, Iraq, Saudia Arabia.More on these topics later.[2023/04/05 23:29:30] Alberta: 13. Palestinians are not only victims of the Israeli occupation, but also the corruption and greed of the PLO and Hamas. Both these have failed the Palestinians greatly. Ramallah when I went there had very rich and big government buildings and the people in the PLO government live in great luxury. Ramallah is a clean, well designed and well built city. Also take a look at Yasser Arafat’s net worth and where his wife and daughter live. 🤔.Hamas’s leaders are living in Qatar in luxury. All the money comes from Iran and Qatar. This money is going to rockets and mortar. Who is paying for the people of Gaza? Gazans are living in extreme misery.This goes to show that the Palestinian leadership is full of greedy and self serving people. In fact human rights watch, Amnesty and Palestinian journalists have recorded the long use of arbitrary arrests, forced disappearances, beatings and torture on the Palestinians by the PLO in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza. People can’t speak out against them. Like typical dictatorships.[2023/04/05 23:31:43] Alberta: 14. Whenever I have criticized Zionism or even the Israeli occupation or settlements in the West Bank, I have been called A Jew hater. Whenever I have raised issue about the corruption of the PLO and Hamas, I have been accused of supporting Zionism. You see that’s why it’s very difficult to have an objective and critical discussion on these subjects.[2023/04/05 23:32:42] Alberta: 15. In the Mosques they will always talk about the Israeli occupation but never ever about PLO and Hamas. PLO was supported by Socialists and Communists and was secular. Hamas is Islamist.[2023/04/05 23:38:09] Alberta: 16. The Arabs living in the state of Israel are a very varied mix. They carry Israeli passports. Some identify as Palestinians and some identify as Israelis. So the guests in Ramle I stayed with. They identified as Palestinians living in Israel and were very happy living in Israel, and got along with Jewish Israelis. Another family I visited in Ramle, they identified as Israeli and the female host although being Arab was patrioticTo Israel.In the Israeli defence forces,Some Arabs (including Muslims) join and serve. The Bedouins who live in the Negev desert are very patriotic to Israel and willingly join their army. Bedouins are known to support whichever country they are in. The Christian Arabs and Druze Arabs are pro Israel (Nazareth has the largest Arab population and its where Hz Isa grew up, hence he is called Jesus of Nazareth). Many Arab towns I passed through in Israel looked completely Arabic and I felt like I was in Saudi Arabia. Towns such as Umm Al Fahm, Abu Gosh and Rahat are Arabic towns in Israel).[2023/04/05 23:40:49] Alberta: 17. There is another group of Muslims in Israel that hardly anyone knows about. They are Sunni Muslims and are Circassians. Circassians are from Circassia. Circassia is in Russia, next to Chechnya and Dagestan. Near the Black Sea. Circassians live in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Israel since the Ottoman era.They are known to be very conservative and stay within their own community, like Chechens and Dagestanis. Circassian men serve in the Israeli army.[2023/04/05 23:41:56] Alberta: 18. Israel has a Shariah court that deals with family matters and religious conversions. There have been Israelis who converted to Islam.[2023/04/05 23:44:05] Alberta: 19. Many Arab Muslims, Christians and Druze work in many fields of the Israeli state. There are doctors, lawyers, engineers, politicians in the Knesset (Israeli parliament), Arab political parties in Israeli politics, teachers, professors, mayors of Arabic towns, police officers who work alongside Jewish Israelis.[2023/04/05 23:47:27] Alberta: 20. Israel has made very far advancements in terms of education, agriculture, technology, mathematics, science, farming, industries, martial arts, medicine. To compete against this state is going to be extremely difficult if not impossible. Many Arab neighbors are dictatorships and won’t be able to compete with Israel in these fields. This is not to support Israel, but give a reality based narrative.[2023/04/05 23:51:26] Alberta: 21. The two state solution is very very unlikely. It won’t help those Palestinians who were forced out of those towns and villages which are now in Israel.A one state solution looks like the only reality. Israel won’t exist as a Jewish state. It will end up as a state for both people. It’s going to be very tough and messy but there is no other way. Israel cannot continue to occupy nor steal Palestinian land and resources. The UNO and intl community have strongly condemned Israel for its violations and its war crimes. South Africa was forced to abandon the apartheid eventually due to worldPressure and boycotts.[2023/04/05 23:52:52] Alberta: 22. Neither Jews nor the Arabs will be driven into the sea. It’s a land that both people have to live in and Jerusalem will be an international city for all 3 faiths. That’s what I see happening.[2023/04/05 23:54:26] Alberta: 23. At present Al Aqsa, Dome of the Rock and the Church of the Holy Sepulcher are maintained and administered by Jordan, through the Islamic Waqf. King Abdullah 2 of Jordan is called the custodian of Al Aqsa, Dome of the Rock and the Church of the HolySepulcher.
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